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Re: @ Miami (2/29)

Postby BGSU33 » Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:06 pm

mossmaidi wrote:Boil this game down to the 1st 2 or 3 minutes. Mattos taking 2 non-sensible 3 pointers helped Miami open up a 12-2 lead. He has no business taking any 3 pt attempts ... he’s been watching too much Luke Knapke.


At least he's actual;ly made a three. Laster hasn't made one all year and he still attempts them. He's closing in on 0-20. Laster, Fields and Zeigler make shooting a perimeter shot like the rim is smaller than the ball is wide.
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Re: @ Miami (2/29)

Postby BGSU33 » Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:37 pm

This loss is also probably going to cost BG the regular season title as Akron won today. The Zips close out the year with a pair of home games and BG will likely get the #2 seed.
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Re: @ Miami (2/29)

Postby jpfalcon09 » Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:41 pm

Classic trap game after the Akron win. Not totally surprising.
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Re: @ Miami (2/29)

Postby Falconwriter » Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:44 pm

Having attended BG in the mid 1970s, losing to Miami is very familiar -- no matter what the sport. This team, when it wins, does so on talent alone. There is no coaching advantage anywhere to be found -- and that's not going to change. If they can't out-talent a team, they'll likely lose. By the same token, they are more talented than most of the teams they've played the last couple seasons, but still manage to lose games they have no business losing.

A #2 seed looks pretty certain now. Akron could lose one more since they play their rival (KSU), but it's unlikely they'll lose at home. BG has to play at Kent, and it's very, very unlikely they'll win that game. It doesn't really matter, though. I will be pretty shocked if they're able to win the MAC tournament; I just don't see all the pieces assembled to do that. And believe me, I want to be very, very wrong. I'm sick and tired of this 50+ year streak.
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Re: @ Miami (2/29)

Postby mbenecke » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:26 pm

If we win our last 2, we’re the 1-seed.
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Re: @ Miami (2/29)

Postby Globetrotter » Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:33 pm

Just a glimpse of how this teams success is smoke and mirrors.

21-8 overall 2157 points for, 2088 against difference of 69 positive points overall. If you take out the Tiffin win than we are just 48 positive points overall.

In the MAC WE ARE -2 in terms of point differential. 12 wins 4 losses and we have scored less points than our opponents. I am not even sure how that is possible.
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Re: @ Miami (2/29)

Postby guest44 » Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:17 am

It’s possible because BG has Justin Turner. He has made an incredible amount of plays down the stretch of games all season. Those stats also back up first three seasons under Huger, and what BG was while Turner was hurt. The amount of whining BG people have done in regards to the NET rankings is incredible. BG the first place team in the MAC went off as a 2 point favorite vs the worst team in the MAC. If BG plays Toledo in Cleveland, Toledo will be favored. The rankings see past all those close wins. It’s just what this team is, you have no idea which you will get.
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Re: @ Miami (2/29)

Postby MarkL » Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:35 am

Total letdown spot. The team wins a huge one in front of a home crowd and then is not focused when playing a lower opponent. Hopefully the team learns from this and gets it out of their system.
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Re: @ Miami (2/29)

Postby Class of 61 » Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:12 pm

Looking at the box score, FOUR starters had a total of FOUR pts., and THREE didn’t score at all! How is this even possible? I usually look thru the stats, and in many if not most games starting lineup has been outscored bu opponents. Bench points have been difference.
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Re: @ Miami (2/29)

Postby Class of 61 » Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:47 pm

Globetrotter wrote:Just a glimpse of how this teams success is smoke and mirrors.

21-8 overall 2157 points for, 2088 against difference of 69 positive points overall. If you take out the Tiffin win than we are just 48 positive points overall.

In the MAC WE ARE -2 in terms of point differential. 12 wins 4 losses and we have scored less points than our opponents. I am not even sure how that is possible.



The 4 losses, IIRC, were all by double digits which makes for the discrepancy of points for vs pts against. Most wins have been fewer than 6 pts. When we’re bad, we’re REALLY bad, but seem to play best in close games. This Miami game really hurts in terms of timing. Kent beat us badly ( at Stroh) so Tues. could be more trouble unless we show up with some starters not getting shut out.
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Re: @ Miami (2/29)

Postby gspointer » Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:24 pm

guest44 wrote:It’s possible because BG has Justin Turner. He has made an incredible amount of plays down the stretch of games all season. Those stats also back up first three seasons under Huger, and what BG was while Turner was hurt. The amount of whining BG people have done in regards to the NET rankings is incredible. BG the first place team in the MAC went off as a 2 point favorite vs the worst team in the MAC. If BG plays Toledo in Cleveland, Toledo will be favored. The rankings see past all those close wins. It’s just what this team is, you have no idea which you will get.


Turner has not been the player we expected. Inconsistent at best. He really has not been exceptional in any one area
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Re: @ Miami (2/29)

Postby hammb » Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:19 pm

gspointer wrote:
guest44 wrote:It’s possible because BG has Justin Turner. He has made an incredible amount of plays down the stretch of games all season. Those stats also back up first three seasons under Huger, and what BG was while Turner was hurt. The amount of whining BG people have done in regards to the NET rankings is incredible. BG the first place team in the MAC went off as a 2 point favorite vs the worst team in the MAC. If BG plays Toledo in Cleveland, Toledo will be favored. The rankings see past all those close wins. It’s just what this team is, you have no idea which you will get.


Turner has not been the player we expected. Inconsistent at best. He really has not been exceptional in any one area


Have you watched our games? Because if you have the one area where he has been exceptional should be obvious. In close games late he's been absolutely outstanding. His individual ability in those situations has single handedly won us at least 4-5 games that would have otherwise been losses.

In reality, imo, the point differential is largely explained by other mentality of this team. Once it becomes obvious that we can't get over the hump we just say to hell with it and let the other team won by double digits. Not sure it's really good or bad, but that's the way it's been. We've never been the team to hit 7 unanswered meaningless points when down by 10 late...instead we play out the game and lose by 15.

That might irritate me if not for the mental intensity (and greatness of Turner) to turn all the close games into wins.
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Re: @ Miami (2/29)

Postby BleedOrange » Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:48 pm

JTurner is good in spots, but the team cannot depend on him. JTurner's scoring feels more like a bonus, except for those rare games when he starts strong and plays well all game.

If BG wins the MAC tournament, it will not be JTurner who delivers us. He's not the type of player with the grit needed to play consistent 40 minute games under pressure.
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Re: @ Miami (2/29)

Postby guest44 » Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:15 pm

Haha. If only Justin Turner had the grit of Jordon Crawford. Justin Turner is the sole reason BG is above .500 the past two seasons.
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Re: @ Miami (2/29)

Postby hammb » Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:58 pm

guest44 wrote:Haha. If only Justin Turner had the grit of Jordon Crawford. Justin Turner is the sole reason BG is above .500 the past two seasons.



Absolutely. And while he has no doubt had his poor nights, he's still been by far the most consistent player on this team. I often feel, if anything, he is a bit too hesitant to just try and take over. Many times he defers to teammates for long stretches trying to keep everybody involved. But when we've needed big plays down the stretch of games he's the ONLY guy on the team that has consistently risen to the occasion.

This team, like last year, will go as far as Turner can carry it.
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