The $1 million donation to the baseball program?

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Re: The $1 million donation to the baseball program?

Postby Schadenfreude » Wed May 20, 2020 11:35 am

This is a difficult situation. On the one hand, if Moose had signaled openly that he was considering eliminating baseball, that would have made life extremely difficult on the head coach. (Recruiting would have suffered badly.) On the other hand, it would have given fans of the program a chance to dig deeper and see if they could stay the execution.

I think Moose is doing the right thing here and handled it about as well as can be expected. This is preferable than eliminating men's soccer or hockey, for example. March weather in the MAC's footprint just doesn't lend itself to college baseball as well as it does these other sports, where BGSU has a better chance of making some noise nationally.
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Re: The $1 million donation to the baseball program?

Postby guest44 » Wed May 20, 2020 12:16 pm

Then why did Rogers & Moose name the stadium after a donor in October of 2019. Why take a chance on the humiliation? That's a complete lose lose situation. Him blaming this on Covid specifically & that it wasn't a year or two plus in the making is a complete lie. We can agree upon that correct? Cincinnati wasn't Covid when it fit his narrative. Also, did anyone know Moose actually quit the BGSU Baseball team as a player. I'm sure he left that out in the interview for the job.
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Re: The $1 million donation to the baseball program?

Postby drumstix2388 » Wed May 20, 2020 12:33 pm

guest44 wrote:Then why did Rogers & Moose name the stadium after a donor in October of 2019. Why take a chance on the humiliation? That's a complete lose lose situation. Him blaming this on Covid specifically & that it wasn't a year or two plus in the making is a complete lie. We can agree upon that correct? Cincinnati wasn't Covid when it fit his narrative. Also, did anyone know Moose actually quit the BGSU Baseball team as a player. I'm sure he left that out in the interview for the job.


No, not really. You think baseball would have been cut this season without COVID-19? Have you paid attention to anything? Every athletic department in America is hemorrhaging money right now. If this lasts longer, more schools will cut more sports. You're whining about 2 + 2 equaling 4.
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Re: The $1 million donation to the baseball program?

Postby BGDrew » Wed May 20, 2020 12:35 pm

Baseball has been targeted to be cut for a few years now. The alumni of the program have said as much in recent years.
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Re: The $1 million donation to the baseball program?

Postby guest44 » Wed May 20, 2020 12:48 pm

Are you Bob's PR person? It's been talked about for several years. By literally anyone. Thus, why the AD should never ever comment on another schools situation, and especially not off a rumor from his soccer coach with a losing record. That wasn't COVID according to Bob . BGSU is the only school in the history of the entire free world, that has named a stadium after someone living, and then shut the stadium down before a game was played. Maybe the only school to do a weird naming ceremony out of season for clicks also. Hemorrhaging money? Well maybe don't give raises out to a basketball coach who has never made the postseason. Seems like a Bob problem along with a Covid problem.
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Re: The $1 million donation to the baseball program?

Postby drumstix2388 » Wed May 20, 2020 12:53 pm

guest44 wrote:Are you Bob's PR person? It's been talked about for several years. By literally anyone. Thus, why the AD should never ever comment on another schools situation, and especially not off a rumor from his soccer coach with a losing record. That wasn't COVID according to Bob . BGSU is the only school in the history of the entire free world, that has named a stadium after someone living, and then shut the stadium down before a game was played. Maybe the only school to do a weird naming ceremony out of season for clicks also. Hemorrhaging money? Well maybe don't give raises out to a basketball coach who has never made the postseason. Seems like a Bob problem along with a Covid problem.


Yes, because we all saw an international pandemic coming, so we should have tightened the purse strings a year ago? That argument has no relevance.
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Re: The $1 million donation to the baseball program?

Postby guest44 » Wed May 20, 2020 12:56 pm

Nope the athletic department already had financial issues. Mike Jinks, Mike Jinks, Mike Jinks, a football program without a quarterback, Mike Jinks, a baseball program on the rocks, Mike Jinks. They had a big issue like most athletic departments. Too much money committed they don't actually have.
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Re: The $1 million donation to the baseball program?

Postby Flipper » Wed May 20, 2020 1:14 pm

Mike Jinks? Are you complaining that they spent money to get rid of him? Did you want to keep him?
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Re: The $1 million donation to the baseball program?

Postby mbenecke » Wed May 20, 2020 1:20 pm

A series of updates from WTOL's Jordan Strack:

https://twitter.com/JordanStrack/status ... 8638704641

"Right now, there is a huge push to save BGSU Baseball. Alumni from the last 40 years are working hard to raise money. The dollar figure raised in one day is very significant, but it will take a lot more work. You can email: [email protected] for more info."

https://twitter.com/JordanStrack/status ... 4951924738

"This is no easy task. Saving the BGSU Baseball program will be a very difficult thing to do. The alums have put a huge project in place to make this happen. I'm not going to share the dollar amount they've raised so far (per their request) but it's significant & they're working."

https://twitter.com/JordanStrack/status ... 4167379970

"Here's what I've been told my multiple alums...they simply had no clue it had gotten this bad. They didn't realize the program was on the brink of elimination. If they had been given a heads up, they would have raised money before. That's why they're so frustrated."
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Re: The $1 million donation to the baseball program?

Postby footballguy51 » Wed May 20, 2020 1:42 pm

So I'm going to go out on a limb and assume guest44 is a huge fan of BGSU baseball and/or baseball in general. Perhaps guest44 is a former player or has a son that is a current or former player? I'm just trying to understand the outright anger at cutting a program that literally brings in no revenue outside of donors.

Here are the facts that were facing the athletic department:
- $2 million budget shortfall due to COVID-19 state funding reductions
- Title IX essentially prevents you from cutting anything from women's sports
- A men's sport was going to be eliminated, or one or more men's sports were going to need to be financially reduced
- To remain in Division 1 athletics, you must have 16 sports
- To remain in the MAC, you must have football, volleyball, and men's and women's basketball

Given all of that, you either reduce several men's sports or you cut one. The men's sports were baseball, basketball, cross country, football, golf, hockey, and soccer. If you want to be in the MAC, you cannot eliminate basketball or football. Hockey won us a national title and had a huge campaign that not only saved the program but also paid for current and future upgrades to the arena, so that isn't going anywhere. You could always cut money across the board from all teams, but that would mean that every team you sponsor would be underfunded and would most likely not have a good chance of having positive seasons (lower coach salaries, fewer scholarships, less recruiting, etc.). So, if you have to cut a sport from baseball, cross country, golf, or soccer, which do you cut?

Men's and women's soccer share a facility, so cutting that team would only save on scholarships and salaries. Soccer games can be played in virtually any weather, meaning we can have home games any time of the year. We also have the opportunity of playing teams near us anytime of the year. Cross country has no facility, so again your only savings would be scholarships and salaries. As with soccer, you can run anytime and anywhere, so travel costs seem to not be a huge cost. Also, the team is small. Golf doesn't currently have a facility, but I'm sure we pay a fee to use Stone Ridge for our home course. If we cut men's golf but kept women's golf, would we save on that fee? Maybe, but it's hard telling. So again, the savings are scholarships and salaries. Like cross country, the team is very small. For baseball, they have a dedicated facility. By eliminating baseball, you are saving on scholarships, salaries, and facility upkeep. Also, due to weather constraints, baseball has higher travel costs for the early season as they travel down south and have a larger roster than the other sports mentioned (aside from perhaps soccer). When you couple all of that together, baseball was the only choice.

When we named the stadium due to a donation, that meant things were starting to look up for the baseball program. Bob Moosbrugger has a history of successful fundraising at previous stops. I'm confident that if COVID-19 didn't hit, baseball would still be here and perhaps they would start to regain scholarships as well. If you knew you wanted to eliminate a program, you wouldn't accept a donation to name a stadium you planned to either tear down or leave vacant. You would, however, accept that donation as the lead gift of a rebuilding campaign for the program. COVID hit at the wrong time.

Nobody goes into a job as an AD with the intent of slashing programs and firing people, at least not if they ever want another job doing anything other than that. Companies hire people specifically to "trim the fat", and that person usually stays long enough to do that and then move on to the next place to do the same thing. A lot of good people lost their jobs at BGSU on Friday, and a baseball program was eliminated. These people that are now coming out of the woodwork to donate money to bring back the program should have been donating prior to the elimination; perhaps we would not have had to make a cut, or perhaps we would have eliminated soccer, cross country, or golf. It's hard telling what could have been. We only know what is now.

If you want baseball back, then we need to hope this pandemic ends soon and state funding to BGSU is restored to a proper level. Once funding is reinstated, then we could perhaps bring back baseball. Or, we need to gather enough donors to give BGSU $2 million to fill the athletic budget gap.
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Re: The $1 million donation to the baseball program?

Postby Schadenfreude » Wed May 20, 2020 1:51 pm

guest44 wrote:Then why did Rogers & Moose name the stadium after a donor in October of 2019. Why take a chance on the humiliation? That's a complete lose lose situation. Him blaming this on Covid specifically & that it wasn't a year or two plus in the making is a complete lie. We can agree upon that correct? Cincinnati wasn't Covid when it fit his narrative. Also, did anyone know Moose actually quit the BGSU Baseball team as a player. I'm sure he left that out in the interview for the job.


No. We do not agree. I can't take what you say at face value. You clearly have an agenda, and I'm not clear on what it is. (You also keep posting about something Moose said about the University of Cincinnati for some reason, and that's kind of strange. Why should we care about something Moose may have said about Cincinnati men's soccer?)

Look, it wasn't hard to see that baseball would be the most logical place to cut if the need ever emerged to reduce athletic department expenses. Any cuts on the women's side would have Title IX implications. Cutting hockey would obviously anger many more alumni and fans. Cutting track or golf probably wouldn't eliminate nearly as much expense. And, with men's soccer, at least we have growing sport where Bowling Green should have a much easier time competing on the national stage than in baseball.

So it may be Moose has known for sometime that, if he ever had to do a major cut, baseball is the place he would look. But that doesn't mean this was "a year or two in the making." Without COVID-19, perhaps baseball would have survived indefinitely.

Indeed, the fact that the baseball stadium was recently renamed for a major donor suggests there was no imminent plan to eliminate baseball at that point. It may be that Moose was frank with Gary Haas at that time about how he might have to take a close look at the future of baseball someday, that the long term outlook wasn't good. Perhaps that's why Haas is saying what he is saying to WTOL.

Anyway: No, we do not agree. It seems clear that COVID-19 forced this decision.
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Re: The $1 million donation to the baseball program?

Postby guest44 » Wed May 20, 2020 2:20 pm

What Moose said about Cincinnati was a direct contradiction of what he said about his own program. Just 3 weeks later. Bob then cried publicly. He just didn't think anyone was listening to him ramble, and was trying to calm the Tennis & Volleyball coaches at BGSU who had begun to campaign for keeping programs publicly. Then when faced with a similar situation at BGSU, cut the baseball program because of Covid with no warning to the guy the stadium is named after. A complete flip flop from the top. A Bob special if you want. It's pretty tough to get a donor to go on TV and basically make BG look this bad. It's something only BGSU could accomplish.

Mike Jinks should have never been hired. A complete failure at all levels of BGSU. That has cost BGSU 5 years the cost of BGSU Baseball, and it's not close to over. That sunken ship of football is all guarantees and BGSU has no cash.

Weren't you one of the ones defending Jinks. Of course you were.
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Re: The $1 million donation to the baseball program?

Postby FalconTurf » Wed May 20, 2020 3:24 pm

I believe this all fell apart in the worst way possible but I also agree the AD doesn't get too many choices when an across the board cut is delegated to his program by his supervisor. Within that cut I'm certain some stipulations were made in addition to Title IX which may include what programs will not be touched. I'm very concerned by a public dissent among donors and alums but this could have been avoided as some have suggested by taking action earlier. Let's be honest here, we all knew the about the scholarship challenge faced by the program. If every one of those scholarships were endowed, part of the coaching salaries were endowed and some operating money were endowed this cut would have never happened. Looking to the future at BGSU all programs are in the same boat with the exception of men's basketball where there is a lifeline but hardly a guarantee. The $20 million is only good for $600 - 700k and that does not alone operate a D1 basketball program. Long term if you want D1 athletics all the programs are going to need similar support to that of the basketball program it not more support because the current model may not be sustainable.
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Re: The $1 million donation to the baseball program?

Postby Schadenfreude » Wed May 20, 2020 3:39 pm

guest44 wrote:What Moose said about Cincinnati was a direct contradiction of what he said about his own program.


I don't see the connection at all. Perhaps I'll get a chance to listen to that podcast at some point. I have no idea what you are trying to get across here at all.
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Re: The $1 million donation to the baseball program?

Postby guest44 » Wed May 20, 2020 3:42 pm

Don't worry about actually listening to it. You wouldn't get it. A Jinks is a good coach guy won't get it.
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