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Was Chris Kingston the worst AD in BGSU History?

Postby CrazyFan » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:03 pm

Just a topic for discussion, but considering his hires and the extensions he gave out, and bailing once he made those hires when those hires were on NOBODY else's radars, is Chris Kingston the worst AD BGSU has ever employed?
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Re: Was Chris Kingston the worst AD in BGSU History?

Postby It's the Journey... » Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:18 pm

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Re: Was Chris Kingston the worst AD in BGSU History?

Postby Flipper » Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:02 pm

Yes...no...maybe....
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Re: Was Chris Kingston the worst AD in BGSU History?

Postby mbenecke » Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:07 pm

I've heard worse things about Christopher than Kingston, especially since he (I think?) was in favor of cutting hockey?

I could be totally wrong and have misheard that, though.
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Re: Was Chris Kingston the worst AD in BGSU History?

Postby factman » Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:06 pm

Probably third from bottom, ahead of Bob Bell and Greg Christopher.
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Re: Was Chris Kingston the worst AD in BGSU History?

Postby guest44 » Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:05 am

At hiring coaches YES. His career making hires should end with Mike Jinks, in any industry, at any job.
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Re: Was Chris Kingston the worst AD in BGSU History?

Postby Schadenfreude » Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:23 pm

factman wrote:ahead of Bob Bell


What's the story with this guy? He was AD for part of 1971. It must have been tragically bad to include him on a list of bad ADs.
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Re: Was Chris Kingston the worst AD in BGSU History?

Postby zete » Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:14 am

I believe came in from UCLA with a lot promise and was gone about eight weeks later. I may be WAY off here but that is sorta how i remember it.
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Re: Was Chris Kingston the worst AD in BGSU History?

Postby threestooges » Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:57 am

factman wrote:Probably third from bottom, ahead of Bob Bell and Greg Christopher.


Kingston was worse than Christopher. Christopher was brought in to get the budget in line, and had to make some decisions that were not popular. He also was a little aloof, so it was hard to get to know him, but I think he meant well.

Kingston tried to play the role of a huge fan ("I'm just like you guys -- I bleed orange and brown even though I just got here and will leave soon!"), tried to be everybody's pal and tried to make the flashy or unexpected hire. He spent money like it was going out of style, and put the department deeper into a hole that it may never get out of.

As a BG fan, I didn't necessarily love Christopher, but I could respect what he was trying to do (or what, in some cases, Presidents Cartwright/Mazey wanted him to do). I'm not happy to say that I saw through Kingston right away. In addition to a few questionable coaching hires, he also made some hires within the athletic department (Hughes) that also are huge black marks on his record.

I wasn't around when Bell was here, but I'd put him at the bottom, and Kingston second from the bottom. Christopher's easily above both of them, and he's probably above some others, too. I'd be interested to see some of the long-time Falcon fans rank the ADs from top to bottom.
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Re: Was Chris Kingston the worst AD in BGSU History?

Postby mbenecke » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:19 am

threestooges wrote:
factman wrote:Probably third from bottom, ahead of Bob Bell and Greg Christopher.


Kingston was worse than Christopher. Christopher was brought in to get the budget in line, and had to make some decisions that were not popular. He also was a little aloof, so it was hard to get to know him, but I think he meant well.

Kingston tried to play the role of a huge fan ("I'm just like you guys -- I bleed orange and brown even though I just got here and will leave soon!"), tried to be everybody's pal and tried to make the flashy or unexpected hire. He spent money like it was going out of style, and put the department deeper into a hole that it may never get out of.

As a BG fan, I didn't necessarily love Christopher, but I could respect what he was trying to do (or what, in some cases, Presidents Cartwright/Mazey wanted him to do). I'm not happy to say that I saw through Kingston right away. In addition to a few questionable coaching hires, he also made some hires within the athletic department (Hughes) that also are huge black marks on his record.

I wasn't around when Bell was here, but I'd put him at the bottom, and Kingston second from the bottom. Christopher's easily above both of them, and he's probably above some others, too. I'd be interested to see some of the long-time Falcon fans rank the ADs from top to bottom.


I'm just curious, because I'm not in the know about all this stuff, what makes Hughes a black mark on his record? What has he done that has been so negative?
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Re: Was Chris Kingston the worst AD in BGSU History?

Postby MarkL » Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:23 pm

Christopher hired Clawson and Bergeron. That's ok in my book. Those two hires turned around both programs. Had Christopher been around in 2013, I expect Elko would have been hired as HC and the Clawson influence would be strong to this day. Christopher also hired Orr. Orr didn't make the program any worse but he also didn't advance it one bit in all his years. And Christopher oversaw the Sebo Center and Stroh Center projects and the encompassing major donations.
Kingston bled orange and brown while he was here. He was far more connected and visible to the community than Christopher. He hired Dino Babers, who took the football program to new heights. He hired Jans, who probably would have won a MAC championship by now if it weren't for the situation. So there's some good. But his last two big hires utterly sank both the men's basketball and the football programs. So Kingston is a mixed bag. And then he bailed exactly as the writing was on the wall with the Jinks hire. I'm a believer in living with your choices, not running from them like a self-serving coward.
All in all I put Christopher above Kingston. I can't speak for anyone before Krebs.
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Re: Was Chris Kingston the worst AD in BGSU History?

Postby Flipper » Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:47 am

What "new height" did Dino take the football team to?
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Re: Was Chris Kingston the worst AD in BGSU History?

Postby Schadenfreude » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:56 am

MarkL wrote:Dino Babers, who took the football program to new heights.


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Re: Was Chris Kingston the worst AD in BGSU History?

Postby MarkL » Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:15 pm

I personally like MAC championships, wins over Big 10 teams, and national attention. But that's just me.
Here's a good comparison. Clawson with his best team lost to Indiana 42-10. The next season Indiana was better. Would have gone bowling had the QB not been hurt. Babers with a backup QB won 45-42. Babers was an awesome game day coach.
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Re: Was Chris Kingston the worst AD in BGSU History?

Postby Flipper » Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:10 pm

Great game day coach...I don't know about that given the ass kickings he took in a number of games when the team fell behind early. Regardless....Gregg Brandon did everything Dino did and more a decade earlier, so calling Dino's run a "new height" doesn't really work
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